So if you can solve it the easy way, you'll avoid a lot of work. Non-PC tractors have a conventional relief valve screwed into the pump body.DavidP. anyways, 3 pt. Three point arms absolutely refused to drop, tried everything. It is cylindrical, about 5/8 (16mm) in diameter and about 2 1/2 (60mm)in length. Nov 21, 2010 / 265 Hydraulic problem #1 . Non-PC tractors have a conventional relief valve screwed into the pump body.
MF 165 Multi Power - hydraulic pump break down - YouTube If the PC has been removed then that would explain it. The lift works and goes high enough to latch the pickup hitch. Are you having a problem with the loader or the 3 point hitch? When the divertor valve is switched to the loader you have effectively sealed off the 3-point lift circuit. The lift works and goes high enough to latch the pickup hitch. Worth it at times to have though. Our 165 can't lift as much as it used to either, and I think it's because the lift cylinder is leaking a little more than it should. On PC tractors this is the relief valve so the barrel should be adjusted to the correct pressure for the tractor. thanks again by the way this is driving me nuts, i cant stop thinking about it. any help on how to solve the flow problem would be greatly appreciated.. thanks. } It does however raise a few questions with respect to a relief valve, which assume is fitted. However, differences between sources, incomplete listings, errors, and data entry mistakes do occur. "url": "https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/graphics/smllogo.png", Partly drain the oil and remoce the RH side cover. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. They say a picture is better than a thousand words and these pictures say a lot. 8 gallons as shown in the manual end up being a bit too much. },
265 Hydraulic problem - TractorByNet Click here to see what we've got! Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V. "url": "https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/graphics/smllogo.png", Three point arms had dropped overnight, I had both the position and draft control levers in the Down position when I started the engine. Suspecting the control spring adjustment I removed it to check. }, The MF 165 tractor also has three different transmission options and a 42 2WD drive systems. Any further and it will reappear. Our hydraulics DVD that will be released in a few weeks time will show you everything you need to know. I carefully boiled the bad oil and stirred initially for about 10 minutes until the oil started to boil then let it continue for at most an hour. hi, im about to undertake the removal of a hydraulic pump on an early mf35. Shona13 has it right on every count: skills, tools, service literature and cost (the IPTO clutch repair kit alone is close to $300). Therefore these loose components you have found are not the cause of your problem, but fall of each time the top cover is taken off (and difficult to put back on!). which powers the rear wheels. I need a special tool for this and its so tight between the loader bracket and the case that i just get too frustrated to accomplish this. JavaScript is disabled. Hope that helps with your diagnosis. The latest photos posted are of a tractor without PC. All Massey's I've ever been around have done it, and it's normal for all of them. JavaScript is disabled. Welcome! The screen is not removable without taking off the lift cover, splitting the tractor and removing the main pump. DavidP Hello Mike, how are you? The remote valve is the automatic detent type which means it returns to neutral when the pressure reaches a certain point. Once they were down, they would not lift back up right away. "@context":"https://schema.org", "@id": "https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/" ", This was originally taken when the hyd cover was upside down. Or could it bee linkage binding up? You will have full hydraulic pressure as expected in the Position Control quadrant.The pumps are the same, the PC one has a plug in place of the RV.2500psi is correct essentially for round rear axle tractors.DavidP, { John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. There may be some leakage past your DV but the bulk will escape past the seals/rings in the lift cylinder. } Remove any external hydraulic pipes from underneath the seat. Good evening all, looking for a bit of advice on the hydraulic system on a Massey Ferguson 165 non multipower. devonbrion1998 It also has this weird 3 spool control valve . Also had the top cover settings checked by a local dealer before re assembly. I have ordered your dvd to assist on rebuilding the main pump. Look on Ebay or go to a MF dealer for an Operator's manual, and you should also get atleast an I&T shop manual for it. Finaly they kick in and lift but the hydraulic action was very choppy. lift. i have problems with my 175 massey ferguson & need some answers if possible #1 the lift arms stuck in up position after two days it leaked down but now it wont lift, my Massey 165 lift arms not responding right when i go to lift a plough it does not respond right away some times i have to put in gear and it lifts but takes a while to do so then when i what to lower the lift arms it drops down very fast is it my Hydraulic Lift Cylinder or what and theres a knocking noise when i lift the arms up too high, hello have massey furgusen 165 have 2300 pounds but bucket is supper slow were is set screw to speed up lift buck rolls quick just slow up and down and pumps good put tester on it, I have a 165 and the tpl will not lift at all and if I have them lifted by another means, they drop slowly, do the pump seals need replacing? thanks again and all recommendations are welcome. It does however raise a few questions with respect to a relief valve, which assume is fitted. "@type": "InteractionCounter", Relief Valve Spring 1 . Usually either dirt in the system or a damaged control valve spring. "logo": { MF 165 Hydraulic problems - Yesterday's Tractors I think the pump is ok because the loader lifts well, but I have always felt that my hydraulics weren't working right and when I tried using a plough Welcome! "interactionType": "https://schema.org/CommentAction", They will not hold at certain levels. For the hydraulic fluid, be sure to use Massey's Perma-tran fluid, or atleast a MF compatible fluid. The symptoms of a failed unit are a complete loss of drive. MF 5435, MF 165 You should probably invest in a service manual. MF 165 MP hydraulic problem, new hydraulic valve MF 165 MP hydraulic problem, 6 9 2017 Rauno Viitanen 1.13K subscribers Subscribe 436 208K views 5 years ago Whats trouble? E-mail me if you have more questions. Remove the split pin, slide back the collar I have lost all hydraulics, including the power steering. "publisher": { The position of the barrel when the quadrant lever is fully lowered in the PC quadrant will give initial maximum pressure. When I could'nt feel the adjuster tube I compared it with this photo of my 135 which I took when I had it open. at base with taper upward and 1/16? 1 2 Jan 2, 2014 / MF 165 1975 hydraulic problems #11 N namyessam Gold Member Joined Jul 4, 2012 Messages 316 Location guess where Tractor xyz powellj5 said: Also, there are hydraulic lines coming out of the circular plate where the lever is located and I see the port that you were talking about for a pressure gauge. I am a bit confused by your post.
PDF Ferguson 3-Point Hitch Troubleshooting Guide - Steiner Tractor massey ferguson 165 hydraulic problem | Forum4Farming - Britain Thanks, The oil looks good and clean, no water in it that I can tell. August 26th, 2008 at 5:17 am We publish about one article a week. "width": 200, Jan 1, 2014 / MF 165 1975 hydraulic problems #1 P powellj5 New member Joined Jun 30, 2009 Messages 7 I own a 1975 MF 165 tractor that I have owned since 2009. Drained fluid down just below right side ( dipstick cover) opening, ran tractor thru positions, No leaks were evident, removed top cover (valve body), filter is clean, 1st pic shows the peices found in the bottom of case( the 2 pieces on the right are very small, if size is necessary I can mike, I would say 5/16? 2023 TractorByNet.com | TractorByNet is a registered trademark of IMC Digital Universe, Inc. Other trademarks on this page are the property of their respective owners. The information also pertains to a Massey Ferguson 50, 202, 204, Massey Harris 50, Ferguson 40 and TO35. refitted and tested lift good now but the arm height position not working correctly. Has to be a Hy-trans type of oil. Although I like things to be in order and origional, the tractor is mainly for the loader so it's not such a problem. The system cannot work at zero pressure when in PC low. and then this shaft can be removed. "logo": { I will get a manual tomorrow at tractor supply.
Shaking Hydraulics, Massey Ferguson 165 | Vintage Tractor Engineer (When in the POSITION CONTROL quadrant the spring remains fully compressed at its adjustment. Hi Mike,You have mentioned that your tractors have Pressure Control fitted. I have work to do and dont want to run the tractor with this bad knocking sound. I have a mf 230 tractor. MF 265 hydraulic problems. In order for me to remove the top cover i will have to drive it a 1/4 mile to put it in a barn, I have drained the fluid down past the lower bolt hole is it safe to drive it like this or should I top it of it seems like I lost 2 gallons or so. Look on Ebay or go to a MF dealer for an Operator's manual, and you should also get atleast an I&T shop manual for it. how can i fix this?? It'll free-wheel and pick up speed, unless you ride the brakes.
3 point hitch lift problems for MF 165 - TractorByNet I was able to hone the cylinders with a brake cylinder hone for the new rings. The lift is not as strong as my MF155 which has the same back end so I was wondering if, as you said, some oil is leaking past the ram cylinder or the relief valve has a lower rating. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Our 165 has the multi-power out right now too, been out for a while but we can't ever bring it in to fix it because it's our loader tractor and we need it everyday. You will have full hydraulic pressure as expected in the Position Control quadrant. I have heard of this being done and with your experience I'm assume you have also seen such a modification. If you put the wrong fluid in or it's old, that could be some of your problems with your 3 pt. "@type": "ImageObject", Ronnie. I also prepare a parts list. I think the book said between 240 and 350 lbs. Sound like the 3pt linkage needs to be gone through & adjusted. Let us know what you find. The position of the barrel when the quadrant lever is fully lowered in the PC quadrant will give initial maximum pressure. Hi everyone, Just bought my first tractor, MF 165 (as is). Does the tractor have "Live PTO" (2-stage clutch) or "Independent PTO" which uses a hydraulic clutch? Worth it at times to have though.
Massey Ferguson tractors: Common problems and how to fix them I hope MF. It is cylindrical, about 5/8 (16mm) in diameter and about 2 1/2 (60mm)in length. You are using an out of date browser. You should soon be able to see or feel it. The hydraulic top cover should just lift straight off. Seals in the pump. }.
MF 165 1975 hydraulic problems - TractorByNet "height": 57 I was looking on my tractor last night and I don't see any linkages,rods or actuators for multipower. I'm not the one to ask a lot of technical questions, but I'll try to help where I can. Then moved pump a bit to remove three bolts holding the auxilliary pump.1/2 they were. The 3 point lift will raise and lower with the Draft control lever, and it will also lift with the draft control in the center position and the quandrant lever in the up position, it how ever will not lower when pushed to the lower section of the quandrant. The tractor needed brakes and a generator rebuild so $4500 doesn't sound too bad. - It's been removed! "datePublished": "2013-08-15", Our 165 has the multi-power out right now too, been out for a while but we can't ever bring it in to fix it because it's our loader tractor and we need it everyday. It sounds like you have one or more of your pump cylinders pulsating. 500psi was enough to lift my concrete counterbalance!
MF 165 Hydraulic problems - Yesterday's Tractors You will now need 2 people to lift the top cover off (or a pulley, engine TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. For the hydraulic fluid, be sure to use Massey's Perma-tran fluid, or atleast a MF compatible fluid. Modern View Forum powered by phpBB 2001, 2005 phpBB Group. You should soon be able to see or feel it. DavidP, South Wales Hello Mike, how are you? Any ideas where to start? "dateModified": "2008-10-21", And it wouldn't hurt to have a helper available. The pumps are the same, the PC one has a plug in place of the RV. In order for me to remove the top cover i will have to drive it a 1/4 mile to put it in a barn, I have drained the fluid down past the lower bolt hole is it safe to drive it like this or should I top it of it seems like I lost 2 gallons or so. If I do not have to split the tractor that would be great for I have a front end loader and it would be a huge job removing it. You are using an out of date browser. I got mine for $112+$23 shipping from Yesterday's Tractors (Massey Ferguson 165 Hydraulic Pump Drive Shaft with Coupler - 707166M92) The front of the tractor, behind the front bumper, has a standard SAE B hydraulic pump mount cut into it with drilled and tapped holes.
MF 165 1975 hydraulic problems | Page 2 - TractorByNet There may be some leakage past your DV but the bulk will escape past the seals/rings in the lift cylinder. Hi Mike, You have mentioned that your tractors have Pressure Control fitted. If so can you let me know if there are things I should check.Mike. Within the last 20 hours of use, the implements have began jumping up and down when carrying also using high rpms to clear the ground with implement.. That's what I meant by a picture (photo) telling the story. Thanks for the pictures. The multipower is a lever on the dash and it shifts the trans up or down a touch while on the go.The perkins diesel is a real fine engine-have one on a 65mf with multipower that has given me 20 years service with little trouble. Hello, I have a Massey Ferguson Ebro 157, which is a spanish built equivalent to the MF165. google_ad_client = "ca-pub-9547590602885823"; Improperly Seated Re I ief Valve 2. Has to be a Hy-trans type of oil.
165 hydraulic problems - Massey Harris & Massey Ferguson Forum I figured that my model didn't come equipped with this option, but sounds like it was disconnected. I have never used multi-power feature on my tractor. It has quite sharp 'teeth' around the outside at the lower end. Mike. the problem is sometimes [most of the time]it is slow to tip a trailer. I need a special tool for this and its so tight between the loader bracket and the case that i just get too frustrated to accomplish this. (PTO lever sticks out of it). See water on oil fires on UTube. We took the plows off and my uncle harrowed the one field with a springtooth drag to finish things off. that way I can get a good look in there. Was any work recently done to this machine? "@type": "Person", Become a MASTER of tractor maintenance. I removed the stand pipe, since mine has pressure control it has a steel block on it that i cant pull from the top so i got it out the side I am hoping it was the seal on the lower end, Also does anyone think that i have to adjust the hydraulics, i will replace both seals and reinstall the stand pipe and try again tomorrow. The lift works and goes high enough to latch the pickup hitch.It does however raise a few questions with respect to a relief valve, which assume is fitted.The lift is not as strong as my MF155 which has the same back end so I was wondering if, as you said, some oil is leaking past the ram cylinder or the relief valve has a lower rating.I have heard of this being done and with your experience I'm assume you have also seen such a modification. The lift pump came right back into service. You must log in or register to reply here. I was able to pop something loose by a couple jumps on the arms and they started to drop. DavidP", are weak will only lift about 1200 lbs on rear and my front end loader is very slow on lifting can you tell me if i have to break my tractor apart to take the hydro pump out and if so any suggestions money is tight so ill be doing this myself so any advice will be greatly apperciated, I have an old (maybe mid-60s) Massey 135.
Massey fergusson 165 hydraulic issues | Tractor Forum If you put the wrong fluid in or it's old, that could be some of your problems with your 3 pt. My 3 point linkage arms either go all the way up or all the way down when using the up down leaver. Binding Control Valve 4. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. If you have independent PTO the auxiliary pump has a screen to filter incoming oil to the pump. one person suggested that maybe air is getting into the system via the filter which had to be pared with a stanley blade to be fitted or an o ring on the stand pipe.now the pump repair kit was hard to get as it seemed to be more of a mf 65 than a 165 hensce the filter was not the proper one we got. }
How-To: Repair or Replacement of Massey Ferguson Brakes - Massey MF 165 Look inside the tractor and the first thing you can see is the drive shaft I will get a manual tomorrow at tractor supply. There should be a mesh screen inside the cover by your left heel. Another thing is, without multi-power, if it's in low (most likely is) it won't hold back going down a hill.
MF 165 MP hydraulic problem, 6 9 2017 - YouTube Probably here is as good a spot as any for this post but if it needs moving please do so. I did however drain the oil completely and refilled with the oil suggested by the Massey dealer (per the advise here). works off from the main pump, while the Multi-Power and IPTO, if so equipped, work off from the auxillary pump. I believe the 135 and 165 share some IPTO parts. 11/16ths short(6?) You will require a gauge to read to at least 3500psi. All Rights Reserved. Caterpillar D4. That's what I meant by a picture (photo) telling the story. There should also be a tiny little spindle which fits through the two little cone shaped rollers. linkage goes up and down and is very responsive when nothing is on it. ive tested the pressure and its pumping out at 2500psi. The hydraulics are really weak when full revs it only goes to 90psi and at idle it is only 30psi and the lift arms wont lift. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. The 3ph. The clutch valve is operated by the hand lever on the LHS of the center housing. The arms also have a hard time going down I must stand on them and sometimes shut down the machine since they will rise slowly when the pto is responsive. Enjoy banner ad-free browsing with Tractor Forum Plus. All Massey's I've ever been around have done it, and it's normal for all of them. This will ensure that the system does not lock up with the potential risk of breaking the internal lifting cylinder. are related, but I think they use the same pump to supply pressure. Perfect to keep your tractor running smoothly. It still lifts hard when cold and horrible when hot! }, "author": { Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V. Jan 12, 2013. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
Neither the blade , or bucket will lift off the ground and the power steering is non-existent. They say a picture is better than a thousand words and these pictures say a lot. It has quite sharp 'teeth' around the outside at the lower end. Common symptoms are the need for high engine revs to get the tractor to lift and the normally smooth action of the lift arms becomes a shake or judder. Also if i remove the cover where the pto lever is do i have to disconnect the lever first? Remove the circular plate (side cover) on right hand side of tractor that Has to be a Hy-trans type of oil. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. "interactionType": "https://schema.org/CommentAction", my 1980 240 developed a loud knock in the drive train after letting the tractor idle for about 30 minutes on a steep incline. Are you having a problem with the loader or the 3 point hitch? Partly drain the oil and remoce the RH side cover. "userInteractionCount": 8 Im thinking of buying a MF 165. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
MF165 massive hydraulic fluid "weep hole" leak - TractorByNet Timing Injection Pump Using Spill-Cut-Off Point. I took the stand pipe to the dealer today and he said that I do not have pressure control, he seems to think that the stand pipe was replaced or something, I was told to take off the pressure relief valve and bring it in for testing, I was also told I could get this out from the dip stick side, I can feel it but there is no way I am getting it out unless I have very thin wrench that turns on a 90, I am going to take the top cover of tomorrow.
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