Plus I ran it with just a single front chainring! Seems to me that EWS races feature a mix of both types of terrain in special stages, warranting a bike thats somewhere south of a full DH bike in travel. Put some low profile tires on it. Also give us a butler to carry the 50lb turd to the top Or a an electric motor. I really tried to like my 38s, but I couldnt in the end. document.getElementById( "ak_js" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. That enduro Dorado is very very cool, you may have inspired me to build something similar. Most of the days I was riding alone, no stops, no talk, no time loss, but a few days out I ve been riding with some pro racers, people like Fabietto for instance, following me with GoPro which was a nice way to have some real video takes, like the one you are seeing in the video. bike. If the companies wanted to make mechanically sound products then we'd all be riding 2006-7 Marzocchi forks with Shimano XT MKI 4 pot brakes and just call it a decade. this is amazing. I was not kidding on this, I really gave my best for a consistent and reliable test. I selected the best enduro loop I know, a nice 20k ride composed by 1000mt uphill transfer on tarmac from Feglino to Nato Base, followed by a 1000 m of descent single track style, enduro 100% Crestino trail, by the way some sections of this trail were used for the fourth stage Finale EWS back in 2016. I wonder if undue force from a crash would hurt the frame or the fork in a dual crown setup. I mean why not? RS Boxxer can be run with 180mm airshaft, and the new Ohlins can be run all the way down to 130mm, MRP do an enduro dual crown too that comes In various lengths of travel. Missing option for "I don't have problems with my current setup and can't justify the weight/expense". Cool to have soo much data, love to trick out trail bikes with dual crown. Overall my riding feelings said that I was faster and with more control with dual crown, and the stopwatch confirmed it. Hahaha, Its 2021 but ain't no one ready for a dual crown gravel bike. Imagine if the dual-crown bombers, mango Manitous and even dual-crown SIDS were allowed to continue to evolve to today - especially with bigger wheels - we'd be better off. I need all the help I can get in a race! Amazing work, testing, and video. This prototype Selva XL / EN / FR(?) So what's the new trend??? should have kept those cantilever rim brakes too. Boxxer with its smaller stanchions is perfect for this. any put a dual crown fork on their enduro? - Mountain Bike Reviews Forum I wouldn't run one only because of the turning radius. 180mm travel or more on a 29-er single crown fork is likely getting a little dodgy. Mojo Risin also builds the Fox36 into a dual crown which weight wise might be the best option. So no, you can't use a trail fork with that frame. And Formula says their production version will be under 2.270kg. that's why i have a full on dh bike. Downhill or enduro bike? - Pinkbike Forum Dual crown Endurbru fork | Ridemonkey Forums 9,171. Yes yes yes especial if an enduro specific dual crown comes to market. I do have trouble getting full travel, still playing around with settings on that. Seriously awesome work. Maybe in some of the places where you are already having to nose wheelie around the corner but then you are not loosing anything with this anyways. So 65 degree head angles, 170mm rear travel and dual crown forks, what is an enduro bike and what is a dh bike these days? My current bike is a Specialized Enduro that came with Boxxers and a coil shock as standard and my first mountain bike I bought in 1998 was a Specialized FSR which had dual crown forks, and a coil shock. Junior T on my P2 back in the days of urban free riding! I doubt it. Dave isn't here answering, you might be able to have a chat with him via his website. No, I like being able to turn my bars all the way round. This is clearly still a prototype, so you arent going to be able to buy one right away. Additionally, during a crash, the fork can damage the frame due to contact between the upper legs and the front end of the bike. So wait, when we were running Totems, all of a sudden they were overkill!!! From our first impressions a lighter, stiffer, more supple, more affordable 180mm 29er enduro to freeride fork seems pretty much like a no-brainer. Beer the marketers to the punch they tell you that you can have one bike to rule them all to tell you that the only way you can ride and be happy is to have 3. I would do it in a heartbeat. I want the two wheels to be identical for the usual reason : a proper test is not a true test if I dont zero all differences rather than what I want to test: so both wheels must be similar, have same tension, components, rubbers, weight, same stiffness, ride quality. A 200mm fork also has a bit more sag to begin with and has a different work stroke so it evens itself out almost. and now its cool to run DC on an Enduro bike??? Most of all, they feel sketchy in really rough/steep/fast terrain. In the 90s we adapted all mountain bikes to use for downhill, now history repeats itself. Ok this is a little creepyMe and my best friend were just talking about this exact topic. The last day has actually the fastest time one because I had the best fitness level through the few months of tests, it is only circumstantial that I had the single crown installed . I just got the Norco Shore Park and I love it. Certainly we seem to be reaching the limits of current lion batteries but there is no way batteries aren't many times better in a couple decades. I loved my DVO diamonds buttery smoothness and chasis stiffness, but it dived into its travel way too much for me. Filter down from the spandexed curly bar world "spin it to win it". Well, I reply saying that I am only 70 kg, and I run good brakes and I break only when needed .180 is more than enough for my ride. I have no want or need for a more trail oriented bike that would be slower and less fun on the descents. Its a question of momentum. Anyone else care to comment on that? haha my first "real mountain bike" was a KHS DJ200 with a Marzocchi Bomber 888 on it. Cory travels extensively across Europe riding bikes, meeting with key European product developers, industry experts & tastemakers for an in-depth review of whats new, and whats coming next. @mixmastamikal: y welcome. I wanna say you would be sacrificing your bike climbing ability with the dual crown? My Specialized Enduro FSR Expert was amazing with 180mm boxxers, but changed to single crown to do barspins. I wonder if it became accepted to ride a dual crown fork in enduro, whether people would start moving up to full 200mm DH forks? I figure you guys might be able to help! Lets browse the net, fill some baskets, click some buy it now buttons and wait for the new parts to arrive , so I can start lacing up the enduro Dorado front wheel. Exactly! Dartmoor Hornet w/160mm Pike owner here. If you are looking for having fun every day, riding any type of terrain without going crazy with a stopwatch or STRAVA, just having fun no matter the difficulty of the trail, you can ride any black trail with a good single crownthen single crown is more than enough, trust me. By Seb Stott Maybe with a dual crown we can go faster and shave off some seconds and gain a podium , or are you scared you cannot pedal the dual crown uphill? Obviously this changes a lot if you go from a regular fork to an USD. Contacted Formula directly and they had nothing to say for dates or general timeframes, even. But that said, theres not really any new tech in the fork, so it is essentially ready to go. A dh bike will always be specifically that, they are no compromise machines There are compromises needed if you want to make a bike pedal. My bro has one on a Pivot Firebird and it's sweet. However, many want a bike that has more turning radius than Knock Block or dual crowns offer. Uh oh. Manitou has updated its legendary Dorado inverted fork for 2022, priced at 1,199.99 / $1,224.99 for the cheapest alloy model and rising to 1,699.99 / $1,799.99 for the Dorado Pro. Impressive piece of work, both in terms of time and effort eliminating variable. Doesn't feel too heavy though and I'd happily consider a reduced travel dual crown. If shaving off precious seconds to gain enduro podiums is your need, well, then yes the enduro dual crown is the clear winner, hands down. The sudden pivot from AM dual crowns that came on the scene in the late 90s to "magically tapered steerers are just as good" is one of the dumbest moves the bike industry has made. lemmi know thanks. Makes you wonder why theyre not putting them on ebikes, Seen a few round my way, an its flat as a pancake (flap jack? The Manitou. I have no issues whatsoever regarding its weight. Last but not least, dont forget, we were all running 26 wheels, 135mm hubs, and crappy forks andwe were all having fun, so dont get mad on this debate now. Time for a ride! I like it. Id take it for what its worth and not get hung up on how scientific it is or isnt. thanks for watching. So you could likely upgrade your current 170mm (single-crown) bike to 180mm (double-crown) travel without changing the geometry. Ups, stiff aluminium stanchions hittig my carbon top tube. Initially I had to think at which forks I could have brought in the test, I wanted the best of the two worlds: single and dual, but the problem was there is no specific enduro dual crown fork in the market, and so I had to pick up a downhill dual crown fork and transform it completely to make a real enduro dual crown fork. Double crowns make total sense for enduro type bikes instead of single crown large diameter forks (ie 38/Zeb). Dude, what an entertaining (and professional) 28mins! Swapping between a dual and single crown fork for enduro and DH racing Currently in the market for a new race bike for next season. Well dine. I've ridden lots in hardtails and I can tell you 150 mm on a hardtail is already too much. People dont ride to the limit of their 15k triathlon bikes yet they feel zero remorse to own one. Enduro Evo was a great bike, really enjoyed mine and I feel like some of my newer bikes were steps backwards compared to the Evo. I guess many of you now are wondering why I am on 180 disc only instead 200? I know this because I have a YT SUEZ that I have had to put into service when the trail bike has been getting shock service. Greg Callaghan chose the Troy over the Spartan for the two EWS races this year. Of course this is the case. This isnt a DH fork and Freeride isnt dead, as Italian suspension specialists Formula are bringing back the double crown with a new 180mm Formula Selva XL enduro fork prototype thats lighter than any equally long single crown enduro fork. Just 6 months ago everyone on here was talking about Fox 38 and ZEB being the best thing in the world. Formula developing a dual-crown enduro fork | BikePerfect Anyone heard anything from Protour recently? What works best for each rider is what matters. I think this is a great new option that adds variety to a field crowded with samey options- several single-crown forks with 36, 37 or 38mm stanchions. Before going practical, I met one of the best road-bike guru I know (he is a Giro dItalia road-team coach), and I told him the storyI asked him, what I should expect going uphill adding 700 grams on top of my 70kg and 14 kg of bike. bikerumor.com. I do not know how the current SC froks are, but a DC does not always automatically mean steeper angles and worse geometry, as there are multiple factors that come into play. Eventually the lowers developed a hairline crack and then the frame blew apart at the seat tube weld. Posted 1 year ago bikerumor.com Reactions: shakazulu12, Suns_PSD, CaveGiant and 1 other person. I reworked the air leg internals, doing all the modifications required to obtain on the Dorado exactly the same, masterpiece Mezzer air curve: all this verified and certified with one of the best machines I have in the workshop , which is the spring dyno. Have had dual crown on quite a few non DH bikes..now if only suspension peeps besides MRP would produce 160-200mm DC forks with 15-110 boost forks. Surrey. 1.5 crowns, DC on the air spring provides better control of both chamber volumes and a lot of potential for increasing the negative volume. Your answers will help Vital and the MTB industry better understand what riders like you want. Buy 5 and be done with it! I ran that exact setup on my enduro! this is amazing. Makes sense, you don't really notice the dual crown when using a lefty for XC or a dual crown fork for DH so stands to reason it'd be a non-issue for the inbetweeny-enduro bikes. Without the cantilevered forces of a single crown, the stack height of the lower crown is actually much smaller than the regular Selva. Dual crown is the obvious choice for any fork. Trail forks top out at about 160mm travel. Kazimer shot it down Having watched all the downhill boys struggle on the switchbacks on my local trails this weekend i'll never have a dual crown fork on my enduro rig! So if you have slip stick due to deformation, it will stay the same with a dual crown. What does a knock block do? @TobiasHandcock: Only at low speeds. I have to admit one of the runs with the Mezzer seemed to me the winning run in the mean time I was descendingbut on a steep section at the end of trail I crashed, and so game over. . We can observe some great timings in the chart with dual crown too done in days where I was even less trained. @wakidesigned: Good to see you, the place just hasn't been the same.Awesome choice of date to reactivate! Our SCW1 enduro only comes with dual-crown forks. Had a 180 boxxer I threw on the front of my Insurgent, absolutely brilliant. Don't care about weight - my bike is already 37 pounds, but turning radius is a real concern for the tight switchback climbs we get here on the North Shore. On single crown / classic stem combo, I felt the handlebar being a tiny bit more flexy side to side even if my carbon handlebar is high quality and really stiff, I also felt a minimally stiffer lower end which gives a little more snappier ride especially on direction changes: I dont wanna say this was better or worst, the single seemed to me a little more prone to snappier trajectory changes and more overall reactive and nervous, while the dual crown seemed more stable, more composed, perhaps more relaxing. Formula dual crown prototype fork for enduro It doesn't really make much of a difference on climbs. Specialized has been for years Haibike too. Dual crowns wont limit your ability to corner unless you ride hiking style switch backs that are narrow. I'm thinking it must not be a very good fork. Vital is getting one for review shortly. Many good times and it rode as a trail bike just fine and did well in the park too. All rights reserved. @wakidesigned: actually we used to build bikes like that partly for cost savings but also for "urban assault" back in the day. And the story goes on. @erikkellison: I totally agree that we wont see ebikes that are lighter than standard Enduro bikes. It's ridiculous. There is no way I would pedal that for 30 miles and it also wouldnt be as fun as a full 200mm at the park, even with a dual crown. And then the top crown gets machined even further, with a direct mount stem interface for no-hassle bar mounting & security.